[CINC] BBC E-mail: Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured
Don
dvabbott at verizon.net
Sat Dec 24 12:05:24 PST 2011
Hi Lisa,
My sincere thanks.
Since my last name appears in my address I thought (hoped) that this
whole subject was a dead issue.
Please find my response (see attachment) to Bill's honest civic minded
concerns below.
My best,
Don
PS: Here's Wish You and Everyone at IPCO a Merry Christmas and Happy New
Year!
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Subject: Re: [CINC] BBC E-mail: Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:06:35 -0800
From: Don <dvabbott at verizon.net>
To: bill weinerth <bweinerth at hotmail.com>
CC: Marty Flam <klez18 at sbcglobal.net>, Anthony Lombardi
<anthonynsocal at yahoo.com>, Deborah Lee Clark
<miramarragamuffin at yahoo.com>, HAL ALTMAN <nymeetsca at gmail.com>, Barbara
Hilburn <hilburndesigns at gmail.com>
Hi Bill,
Good speak and I agree that we should always question -- that is exactly
what I've done and I encourage others to do likewise.
You wrote in part, "...especially the burning of fossil fuels."
Bill, my background in engineering makes me perhaps more inquisitive
than most and I can not help the fact that my specialty is in the field
of thermodynamics (heat transfer and fluid flow). I have an inquisitive
mind and when I don't understand something associated with my field of
expertise I seek answers.
RE: Fossil Fuels
Please find my analysis attached -- and if you have questions I will be
happy to supply additional information.
Bottomline: Worldwide use of fossil fuels produces far far less CO2
than does breathing.
Fossil Fuels: ~33 billion tons per year of CO2
Breathing: ~1,236 billion tons per year of CO2
My best,
Don
On 12/24/11 8:22 AM, Lisa Anderson wrote:
>
> I believe it was Don Abbott
>
> Lisa Anderson
>
> *From:*channel_islands_naturalist_corps-bounces at rain.org
> [mailto:channel_islands_naturalist_corps-bounces at rain.org] *On Behalf
> Of *HAL ALTMAN
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:37 PM
> *To:* bill weinerth
> *Cc:* rain list
> *Subject:* Re: [CINC] BBC E-mail: Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured
>
> Don,
>
> Would you mind signing your last name, wo we can keep up with who said
> what to whom?
>
> HAL ALTMAN
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:22 PM, bill weinerth <bweinerth at hotmail.com
> <mailto:bweinerth at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think there is a place for questioning. This is part of the
> scientific method. There is also a place and time to recognize the
> observations that we have. The Union of Concerned Scientists assert,
> "The overwhelming evidence is that global warming is taking place and
> that the major cause is human activity - especially the burning of
> fossil fuels."
> The polar bear picture was a bit of distortion, I agree. Taking a
> distortion and trying to make it the truth is a mistake either way it
> is taken.
> That there are too many people could be a major part of the problem or
> it could be too many people are consuming hugh quanities of
> resources. I ask; it is possible for more of us to live more simply?
> Bill Weinerth
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:19:04 -0800
> From: dvabbott at verizon.net <mailto:dvabbott at verizon.net>
> To: anthonynsocal at yahoo.com <mailto:anthonynsocal at yahoo.com>
> CC: channel_islands_naturalist_corps at rain.org
> <mailto:channel_islands_naturalist_corps at rain.org>
> Subject: Re: [CINC] BBC E-mail: Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured
>
>
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> Kudos for speaking the truth.....and I believe there are more Polar
> Bears today then there were 30 years ago.
> Ref.:
> http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1ea8233f-14da-4a44-b839-b71a9e5df868
> The latest government survey of polar bears roaming the vast Arctic
> expanses of northern Quebec, Labrador and southern Baffin Island show
> the population of polar bears has jumped to 2,100 animals from around
> 800 in the mid-1980s.
>
> Mankind is screwing up the environment and we need to do a better job;
> however, the real problem is there are too many of us.
> However, mankind is not the cause of global warming and it saddens me
> as an Honest Steward of Our Environment to see the MCGW hoax being
> continually spun via RAIN for public consumption.
>
> The glaciers did not start to melt due to mankind 18K years ago and
> mankind is not the cause of their continuing to melt today.
>
> My best,
> Don
>
> PS: If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at
> least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.
> Rene Descartes (1596 - 1650)
>
>
> On 12/8/11 6:20 PM, Anthony Lombardi wrote:
>
> I think the storyline is very misrepresenting of the story, this is
> not a story of climate change, but a hungry, oppurtunistic animal. My
> point is that polar bear and bear populations across the globe as well
> as many other species have seen cannibalism. Look at the grizzllies,
> males that are hungry will go after and eat a cub, just as would a
> polar bear. You have baboons eating chimpanzees, lions eating cubs
> of other prides etc..... It's not a climate change issue! Remember
> reading the story of the photographer that took the picture of the
> polar bear clinging to the piece of ice in the ice flow on the front
> cover of a very well know magazine, and the headline was global
> warming or climate change and all of a sudden everyones hearts were
> melting as fast as the glaciers, blah. Then later come to find out he
> admitted the picture was taken during the summer melt. Pictures can
> be quite deceiving just like the media.
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/8/11, Catherine French /<cfrench1366 at aol.com>
> <mailto:cfrench1366 at aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Catherine French <cfrench1366 at aol.com> <mailto:cfrench1366 at aol.com>
> Subject: [CINC] BBC E-mail: Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured
> To: "CINC Rain List" <channel_islands_naturalist_corps at rain.org>
> <mailto:channel_islands_naturalist_corps at rain.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
>
> This is gruesome but understandable. It's all about food in the animal
> kingdom. Fits into discussions about climate change.
>
> I saw this story on the BBC News iPad App and thought you should see it.
>
>
>
> ** Polar bear 'cannibalism' pictured **
> A photojournalist snaps an image of cannibalism among polar bears - a
> situation that is becoming more common as sea ice dwindles.
> < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16081214 >
>
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> Calm seas,
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> Catherine French
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