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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:islandkayaker@earthlink.net">islandkayaker@earthlink.net</a> wrote:
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<p>All,</p>
<p>I had a couple of requests for reading on this. I cannot remember
where I read this over the years, but I have also had the occasion to
speak about it with geologists and students in my journeys out to the
islands.</p>
<p>I did some quick research online and found this tidbit from
Professor Nicholas Pinter: <a
href="http://www.geology.siu.edu/people/pinter/nci.html">http://www.geology.siu.edu/people/pinter/nci.html</a></p>
<p><em> "Total slip seems to be partitioned into: (1) thrust motion
on the low-angle faults and (2) strike slip and oblique slip on the
high-angle faults. Regional thrust structures have been inferred from
balanced cross sections beneath the Santa Monica Mountains (the Santa
Monica Mountains Thrust) and beneath the Northern Channel Islands (the
Channel Islands Thrust). <strong>It has been suggested that uplift of
the Northern Channel Islands chain is the result of south-vergent slip
across a north-dipping ramp on the underlying thrust fault</strong>." </em></p>
<p> Later on the writer goes on to say: <em>"...and most
importantly because sea level provides an absolute datum against which
to measure vertical deformation."</em> which will only be true if we
keep track of rising sea levels... </p>
<p> Scott </p>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:islandkayaker@earthlink.net">islandkayaker@earthlink.net</a> <br>
Sent: Jun 8, 2008 2:55 PM <br>
To: CINC posts <br>
Subject: Re: [CINC] IHT.com Article: Leader of disappearing island
nation says climate change an issue of survival, not economics <br>
<br>
Peeps,<br>
<br>
As I understand it our Channel Islands are effected by weathering which
contributes to the 'sinking' islands, but over all these islands are
actually rising out of the ocean due to the plate tectonics involved.
Global warming, (which is inevitable and not CAUSED BY us, but may be
effected by us), may even out or overtake this island rising tendency
and further contribute to 'sinking'.<br>
<br>
So, All islands do not sink per se. IMHO<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: dvabbott <br>
>Sent: Jun 6, 2008 4:25 PM<br>
>To: "R. Schwartz" <br>
>Cc: CINC posts <br>
>Subject: Re: [CINC] IHT.com Article: Leader of disappearing island
nation says climate change an issue of survival, not economics<br>
><br>
>I used a CINP example to remind all that islands do sink due to
ongoing<br>
>global climate changes.<br>
><br>
>If my facts are incorrect please let me know.<br>
><br>
>Otherwise, end of case.....CLOSED!<br>
> <br>
>This, my friend, is NOT the proper forum for preaching Liberal or<br>
>Conservative agendas.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>on 6/6/08 11:57 AM, R. Schwartz at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:razz442@verizon.net">razz442@verizon.net</a> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Well, now I too now. must throw in my two cents--enlightening
or not. I<br>
>> do hope my idle opinions are uninfluenced by any false idols
that might<br>
>> influence my judgement.<br>
>> <br>
>> Yes, "climate change is a natural process." Death is also a
natural<br>
>> process. But when we suspect that somone has helped along that
natural<br>
>> process and forensic scientists prove who that person or
persons were<br>
>> and how they did it, we call it murder and society does what
it can to<br>
>> prevent the crime from happening again; perhaps by eliminating
the<br>
>> perpetrator(s) or looking for ways--scientific and social--to
discourage<br>
>> others from doing the same. We also come together and mourn
the victim<br>
>> and condemn the crime. Why? Because it's the right thing to do
and<br>
>> because we are rational and social critters, we humans.<br>
>> <br>
>> What don't we do? We don't say, "Well, she was going to die
anyway so<br>
>> why worry?" We don't think, "Well, there were people ten
thousand years<br>
>> ago and they died, so isn't this persons death--murder,
whatever--the<br>
>> same thing all over again? Let's get over it and move on."<br>
>> <br>
>> No. We are rational and social critters and we don't ignore
rational<br>
>> scientific evidence and we don't withold our empathy nor our
social<br>
>> outrage when fellow humans are suffering because "stuff
happens." We do<br>
>> all we can to make things better even when we can't be sure it
will<br>
>> work.<br>
>> <br>
>> That, my friend, is what being human is all about. Politics?
That's<br>
>> something altogether different.<br>
>> <br>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, dvabbott wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> I almost didn't respond, but I can't sit idol without
offering my two<br>
>>> cents<br>
>>> worth of enlightenment to this post.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Ten-thousand years ago it was much colder and Chumash (or
at least<br>
>>> their<br>
>>> ancestors) lived on an island that we call Santarosae.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Climate change is a natural phenomena.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> on 6/5/08 3:02 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oaars@sbcglobal.net">oaars@sbcglobal.net</a> at
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oaars@sbcglobal.net">oaars@sbcglobal.net</a> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> This IHT.com article has been sent to you by:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:oaars@sbcglobal.net">oaars@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Leader of disappearing island nation says climate
change an issue of<br>
>>>> survival,<br>
>>>> not economics<br>
>>>> The Associated Press<br>
>>>> Thursday, June 5, 2008<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The leader of a country slowly being submerged by the
Pacific Ocean<br>
>>>> told an<br>
>>>> environment conference Thursday that climate change is
an issue of<br>
>>>> human<br>
>>>> survival, not economic development.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Speaking in New Zealand � the host country for the
U.N.'s World<br>
>>>> Environment<br>
>>>> Day on Thursday � Kiribati President Note Tong said
global efforts to<br>
>>>> curb<br>
>>>> climate change may already be too late for low-lying
Pacific islands.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> "We may already be at the point of no return, where
the emissions in<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> atmosphere will carry on contributing to climate
change, so in time<br>
>>>> our small<br>
>>>> low-lying islands will be submerged," Tong said.
"According to the<br>
>>>> worst case<br>
>>>> scenarios, Kiribati will be submerged within (this)
century."<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The highest point of land on Kiribati is now just two
yards (meters)<br>
>>>> above sea<br>
>>>> level, said Tong, a graduate of the London School of
Economics. He<br>
>>>> said<br>
>>>> climate change "is not an issue of economic
development; it's an<br>
>>>> issue of<br>
>>>> human survival."<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Some of Kiribati's 94,000 people living in shoreline
village<br>
>>>> communities have<br>
>>>> already been relocated from century-old sites. "We're
doing it now<br>
>>>> ... it's<br>
>>>> that urgent," Tong said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> United Nations Environment Program Executive Director
Achim Steiner<br>
>>>> said it<br>
>>>> was difficult for island nations to watch as the
effects of climate<br>
>>>> change<br>
>>>> take hold.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> "It's a humbling prospect when a nation has to begin
talking about<br>
>>>> its own<br>
>>>> demise, not because of some inevitable natural
disaster ... but<br>
>>>> because of<br>
>>>> what we are doing on this planet," Steiner said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> He said the world must find the "collective purpose"
to combat<br>
>>>> climate change.<br>
>>>> "Unless everyone ... on this planet takes their
responsibility<br>
>>>> seriously we<br>
>>>> will simply not make a difference," he said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> New Zealand was chosen to host World Environment Day
because it was<br>
>>>> one of the<br>
>>>> first nations to commit to carbon neutrality and has
provided climate<br>
>>>> change<br>
>>>> leadership, Steiner said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> A major new wind farm being developed on its outskirts
of the capital<br>
>>>> Wellington means the city will soon be 100 percent
carbon neutral in<br>
>>>> its<br>
>>>> electricity supply, Prime Minister Helen Clark said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Environment chiefs from the world's top industrial
nations pledged<br>
>>>> last month<br>
>>>> to cut greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2050, but
stopped short of<br>
>>>> making<br>
>>>> firm commitments for a midterm goal for 2020 � which
many countries<br>
>>>> argue is<br>
>>>> crucial to saving the planet from environmental crisis.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Climate scientists have urged rich countries to reduce
emissions by<br>
>>>> between 25<br>
>>>> percent and 40 percent by 2020 to avoid the worst
effects of warming.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Scientists say warming weather will lead to widespread
drought,<br>
>>>> floods, higher<br>
>>>> sea levels and worsening storms.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Even a 3.6-degree-Fahrenheit (2-degree-Celsius)
temperature rise<br>
>>>> could subject<br>
>>>> up to 2 billion people to water shortages by 2050 and
threaten<br>
>>>> extinction for<br>
>>>> 20 percent to 30 percent of the world's species,
according to a 2007<br>
>>>> report by<br>
>>>> the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N.
network of<br>
>>>> 2,000<br>
>>>> scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri said Thursday in
Wellington that the<br>
>>>> panel's<br>
>>>> fourth climate change assessment report had noted "we
have only seven<br>
>>>> years"<br>
>>>> to take action if rising temperatures are to be
limited to no more<br>
>>>> than 4<br>
>>>> degrees Fahrenheit (2.4 degrees Celsius).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> "After 2015 and there on, we have to bring about a
reduction in<br>
>>>> emissions of<br>
>>>> greenhouse gases worldwide and ... we don't have more
than seven<br>
>>>> years. The<br>
>>>> earlier we can start the better," he said.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/05/asia/AS-GEN-New-Zealand-World-Envi">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/05/asia/AS-GEN-New-Zealand-World-Envi</a><br>
>>>> ro<br>
>>>> nment-Day.php<br>
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